Live from Virginia Public Media in Richmond, Mary Harris sat down with Reveal’s Al Letson and On the Media’s Micah Loewinger to discuss contentious interviews, Pentagon influencers, sifting through the Trump news cycle, and the journalism cliches they love to hate.

Guests: Al Letson, host of Reveal 
Micah Loewinger, co-host of On the Media

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Podcast and live show production by Madeline Thames-Ducharme.