“The part of growth that we don’t talk about enough is the things that got you to wherever you are today … are not going to be what gets you to the next threshold of growth,” Jeremy Heilpern, founder and CEO of Ammunition, said on a panel at ADWEEK House: Advertising HQ on Monday.

Gogi Gupta, the founder of Gupta Media, and Emily Garvey, head of strategy at Zulu Alpha Kilo NY, also shared their agencies’ growth journeys, opening up about what it takes to break through as an independent.