On this episode of Going Underground, we speak to former UK Defense Secretary Tobias Ellwood. He discusses the impending resignation of UK Prime Minister Sir Keir Starmer – the 7th to resign in 10 years, his belief that Trump had no strategy in the war with Iran, Donald Trump’s disengagement from America’s European allies and why Trump gained nothing in Iran, why Iran may now logically seek a nuclear deterrent, his perspective on the UK’s role in the Gaza genocide and the use of RAF Akrotiri, how Netanyahu has fueled regional insecurity with ‘war for the sake of war’, the UAE’s close relations with Russia and Vladimir Putin which goes against the UK’s view that Russia is a ‘pariah nation’, and whether Western Europe is isolated as BRICS+ continues building a multipolar world.

In the latter part of the interview, Afshin Rattansi and Tobias Ellwood debate the Russia-NATO proxy war in Ukraine, the possibility of escalation, the ‘Russian threat’ to Europe, the lack of dialogue between London and Moscow, and much more.